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posted by jewishwhistleblower @ 4:27 PM
I'm getting tired of your "talking points".Why don't they ask RMT to sign a waiver allowing his past lawyers to discuss the confidentiality agreement one victim signed for about $100K?Why doesn't RMT sign a waiver allowing the alleged victim who was paid off to speak freely?Why not ask RMT to sign a document giving permission to any alleged victims to take him to a civil court?Oh, that's right they're not interested in the truth. Just muddying the names of your Shabtai Tzvi Rebbe's victims.
This would take one phone call from Danny Boy to his client RMT to get instructions (10 minutes). He could draft a letter in 15 minutes and fax it to the Jewish Week and the Forward (2 minutes):1) waiving confidentiality in the settlement and give formers lawyers and the victim permissions to speak freely. 2) Giving permission to anyone with allegations against RMT to file in civil court (so there is no question of mesirah).So this is my 27 minute challenge to RMT, Danny Boy and RMT enablers.Put up or shut up.
JWB -you are stupider than we thought..the victim/m'naefes would also have to waive the confidentiality also; get her to sign first!
Moron, RMT could waive confidentiality 1st and then it's up to the victim to waive confidentiality.That's the challenge, put up or shut up.
JWB/Michaelthere is no challenge here -let the m'naegfes waive first - she hasnt! period.you are quite good at fighting other people's fights. apparently, the m'naefes doesnt want to fight. by the way, your recent quotes from the book do not seem to be within the fair use doctrine. i would recommend you remove the quotes immediately, i would really hate to see you hit with a copyright infringement action.
>JWB/MichaelNot Michael.>there is no challenge here -Sure there is.>let the m'naegfes waive first - >she hasnt! period.Not my challenge. There is no reason RMT can't waive 1st. You're just playing games because you have no intention to waive.>you are quite good at fighting >other people's fights. >apparently, the m'naefes doesnt >want to fight.She can't she signed a confidentiality agreement that RMT is not waiving because he knows how damning that information is.>by the way, your >recent quotes from the book do >not seem to be within the fair >use doctrine.Actually, they are well within it.>i would recommend you remove the >quotes immediately, i would >really hate to see you hit with >a copyright infringement action. I'm sure that is the case. Not.
Folks, watch RMT's weasels avoid my simple challenge.
Note how RMT's weasels aren't even denying the existence of the victim. Because if the victim who was paid and signed a confidentiality agreement didn't exist, what would the problem be in waiving confidentiality?
Hmmm... 1) RMT's weasels deny existence of a victim who was paid off and signed a confidentiality agreement.2) But they demand the "non-existent" victim sign a waiver first.Sounds like the RMT weasels haven't got their spin straight yet.If 1) were true, what would be the problem of publicly and formally waiving confidentiality?No problem.Hence 1) is a lie.Thanks weasels.
JWB: why don't you just encourage the process of the din torah that RMT is trying to take the RCA to? that would require that the RCA submit their proof as to why they pronounced RMT guilty, RMT can submit any proof that he has, and the issue can be halachically decided? The process has begun, but the RCA is refusing to go. Why don't you encourage these proceedings?
Lets get this straight .... MT is a Pervert, he can scream all he wants about the RCA, he still remains the pervert that he is!
Danny Boy does what Yuda Teichman tell him to do... Danny himself has a big cortex,indeed, but little cerbral capacity, as we who grew up with him know!
>JWB: why don't you just >encourage the process of the din >torah that RMT is trying to take >the RCA to?I'm indifferent to any such process as:1) RMT stands accused of capital crimes and no beis din has the capacity to deal with capital crimes today.2) A beis din can only deal with crimes where there are witnesses and these are crimes committed in private without witnesses.3) The Lanner Beis din (and attempted Matis Weinberg Beis din) demonstrate that the beis din system today is incapable of dealing with sexual predator.The proper place to deal with these allegations is in a court of law that has rules of evidence, public and open proceedings and enforcement powers.>that would require that the RCA >submit their proof as to why >they pronounced RMT guilty, RMT >can submit any proof that he >has, and the issue can be >halachically decided? The >process has begun, but the RCA >is refusing to go. Why don't you >encourage these proceedings?A civil court is the appropriate forum, not a beis din.Why are you afraid of the civil courts?
"Lets get this straight .... MT is a Pervert, he can scream all he wants about the RCA, he still remains the pervert that he is!"yeah, right. RMT is a pervert because you say so? That really means a lot. Prove it. Read the Jewish Voice and Opinion piece, read the Jewish Press. The Midwives will burn in hell for this. The only documented evidence is that the Midwives are behind this. The RCA was suckered in by the two women with an agenda, and now the RCA is now unwilling to prove its own statement. They might end up with a Seruv. They are scrambling over in Israel as we speak, trying to patch up relations with the Chief Rabbinate. Things are unwraveling fast. The Midwives will be held accountable by Hashem.
Translation:RMT and supporters are afraid of my challenge and the possibility of civil law proceedings that can't be manipulated so easily.
one needs a heter to go to a secular court instead of a beis din. If the RCA refuses to go to beis din, and has a Seruv issued against them, then RMT can take the RCA to court, can't he?
"The proper place to deal with these allegations is in a court of law that has rules of evidence, public and open proceedings and enforcement powers."Unfortunately, i don't think the women have evidence that will withstand the rules of evidence. They don't have testimony or witnesses that can withstand cross examination. That is why they can't take RMT to civil court.
>one needs a heter to go to a >secular court instead of a beis >din. If the RCA refuses to go to >beis din, and has a Seruv issued >against them, then RMT can take >the RCA to court, can't he? Why doesn't RMT get a heter to sue the women and the RCA in the civil courts?There's no question if he want a heter, he can get it.I dare him to.
>Unfortunately, i don't think the >women have evidence that will >withstand the rules of evidence. >They don't have testimony or >witnesses that can withstand >cross examination. That is why >they can't take RMT to civil >court. So why doesn't RMT publically give them a heter to sue him in civil court. I dare him.
My challenge stands .... unanswered.
Note how simple my challenge is. If what RMT and his supporters are claiming is true, what would the problem be?Obviously, they are falling over backwards avoiding my challenge for 2 reasons:1) They're afraid of civil court proceedings.2) They're afraid to waive the confidentiality agreement they paid so much for to silence one victim.
JWB, in the past you have made definitive statements, such as "RMT will NEVER take the RCA to a beis din" and are you forgetting your fiasco regarding your statements about Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven? If you were smart, perhaps you should just wait and see how the situation develops, regarding any beis din or civil action with the RCA and the women, before you put your "credibility" on the line again. Or you can just keep talking, and dig more trouble for yourself. Your cousins always thought that you let your emotions prevent you from making the smart decisions. Once again.
>Michael who? Whoever it is, it ain't me.Hmmmmm.... fishing.... go fish!
michael lesherjwb did recently plugg lesher's soon to be published bookvery, very against PASprior poster said that JWB lives in north jersey areai wonder if if they are the same peopleJWB will probably deny so really doesnt matter but the more JWB posts the more the similarities
>michael lesher>jwb did recently plugg lesher's >soon to be published book>very, very against PAS>prior poster said that JWB lives >in north jersey area>i wonder if if they are the same >people>JWB will probably deny so really >doesnt matter >but the more JWB posts the more >the similaritiesWow incredible, you really did it.......NOT.Go fish!
JWB- some really good questions. But don't expect answers, truth or anything that might lead to it from the MT camp- they don't even know what it is!
Notice how they try to distract from my questions with nonsense claims about my identity.
it is amzing how the Tendler camp feels they were mistreated by the rca how many din torahs did Rabbi moshe Dovid Tendler and his son sit on that they did the same to innocent people...how many lives have they destroyed with no regard...and now we should feel bad for him????
>confidentiality agreement one victim signed for about $100K?JWB thinks that if he repeats lies enough that they become facts.Hey JWB. Please provide proof (yeah, the real factual kind) that RMT paid anyone "about $100k".[Note to JWB readers: whenever you ask JWB to support his "facts" (read: lies), he just blames someone else or says "not my assertion".]Let's see how he dodges the topic this time. He already ignored the exact same challenge in another thread on this blog.
this whole Tendler thing is a chilul hashem and Rabbi Tendler should hve accepted the Rca ruling as to not bring more shame upon the jewish community...I am sure it is only the begining to the parade of women still to come
I met one of the victims who got paid off the reason they get paid off is for the emotional damage done to them and the need to be able to get the help they need to move forward in their lives...it is hard for all of us to comprehend that such a travesty happens amongs our community as Jewish people we think we know better
"Rabbi Tendler should hve accepted the Rca ruling"Any sane person (read: not JWB or the infamous duo) has already come to the conclusion that the RCA proceedings were a sham. Gedolim, newspapers are organizations have (and will continue to) come to the same conclusion.The RCA is on the verge of collapse now that the Israeli Chief Rabbinate has come out against them, in addition to American and Israeli gedolim. Ask active RCA members (as I have) and they will tell you that the "rank and file" RCA members are taking measures to have this "incident" corrected before the RCA loses whatever credibility it has left. Expect a leadership change in the RCA soon if Herring (et al) don't correct this mistake.
RMT has admitted to paying off a victim--he claims he did it at the advice of his attorney
Why hasn't anyone asked about the criminal background of the primary accuser?
>>confidentiality agreement one >>victim signed for about $100K?>>JWB thinks that if he repeats >lies enough that they become >facts.>>Hey JWB. Please provide proof >(yeah, the real factual kind) >that RMT paid anyone "about >$100k".>>[Note to JWB readers: whenever >you ask JWB to support >his "facts" (read: lies), he >just blames someone else or >says "not my assertion".]>>Let's see how he dodges the >topic this time. He already >ignored the exact same challenge >in another thread on this blog.You're too funny. If it isn't true it should be easy for RMT to waive confidentiality.Read:Congregants Stand By Rabbi Tendler: At packed synagogue meeting, he denies all RCA charges. Debra Nussbaum Cohen - Staff Writer Jewish Week - March 30, 2005 http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10699 ...>One questioner asked Rabbi >Tendler whether he had arrived >at an out-of-court settlement >with a woman who alleged they >had an affair. THE LIE.>"He denied it, said he never >did," Engel said. TRUE HE LIED.>But according to an Orthodox >rabbi in the area who said he >has firsthand knowledge, Rabbi >Tendler paid the woman close to >$100,000 in the summer of 2003 >in an out-of-court settlement. >(Others have said the sum was >significant but not that high.) SOURCES.>Rabbi Tendler's wife, Michelle, >who has been his most ardent >supporter, made reference to the >settlement in a letter she wrote >to a former member of the >community. EVIDENCE.>Through Hank Sheinkopf, the >political consultant who is >serving as a spokesman for the >Tendlers, Michelle Tendler >declined to be interviewed, as >did the rabbi. REFUSAL TO DENY.>Sheinkopf said that he has no >knowledge relating to a >settlement. The attorney who >represented the woman in the >settlement said he wasn't >allowed to confirm anything >about it and had no further >comment. SO THE LAWYER REPRESENTING THE VICTIM YOU CLAIM DOESN'T EXIST AND WASN'T PAID CAN'T SPEAK DUE TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT.LET RMT WAIVE CONFIDENTIALITY SO THE LAWYERS AND VICTIM CAN SPEAK.
>RMT has admitted to paying off a >victim--he claims he did it at >the advice of his attorney He denied it publically at the KNH meeting. If he's innocent why not waive confidentiality and allow ALL victims to testify in civil court? Better yet let RMT sue the alleged victims and the RCA in court.>Why hasn't anyone asked about >the criminal background of the >primary accuser? More irrelevant mud. Just meet my simple challenge. Why doesn't RMT sue the alleged victims and the RCA in civil court?
>primary accuser? How many victims have to come forward before you realize RMT is a rasha?
>RMT has admitted to paying off a >victim--he claims he did it at the >advice of his attorneyActually, you are wrong. RMT never said any such thing. All he said is that several people with experience in this field (specifically, the Vishnitzer Dayan) told him several years ago to make an agreement with one accuser, for the sake of ending the matter. RMT followed their advice begrudgingly even though he stated his innocence. RMT stated explicitly that he did not pay any money as part of that agreement.JWB still choses to believe that there was a $100k payoff (he has stated this dozens of times, and still refuses to support his statement with any verificable facts even in the face of several direct challenges).The fact that there are checks written from the KNH tzedakah for small amounts (a few thousand dollars or less) to various individuals (men and women) is meaningless. Hundreds of families in the Monsey area (and beyond) have been (and currently are) supported by the fund.Of course, JWB claims to have copies of the "payoff" checks, but conveniently refueses to post them. If you challenge him on the facts (which he hates), he directs you to find the checks on Luke Ford's websites (the guy in the porno biz) where the checks are nowhere to be found.
Note how RMT supporters haven't got the 100k payout straight?I guess that wasn't on this week's talking points.When was the last time you know anyone in the rabbanut to pay out a 100k to silence someone from suing?On advice of lawyer means nothing? Why did the lawyer advise such a huge payout?1) To protect his reputation? Obviously didn't work, so waive the confidentiality and fight the allegations like a man.2) He feared a larger payout? Give me a break.RMT:Waive the confidentiality, give your alleged victims public permission to sue in civil court.Or better yet sue your alleged victims and the RCA in civil court.Challenge still not met.Big surprise?
>More irrelevant mud.Fraud is not irrelevant mud.
>When was the last time you know >anyone in the rabbanut to pay out a >100k to silence someone from suing?JWB is delirious. He truly appears to believe that if he repeats the same lie often enough that it becomes fact.Sad, really. Cretin.
>Actually, you are wrong. RMT >never said any such thing. All >he said is that several people >with experience in this field >(specifically, the Vishnitzer >Dayan) told him several years >ago to make an agreement with >one accuser, for the sake of >ending the matter.It didn't work so waive confidentiality and address it.>RMT followed their advice >begrudgingly even though he >stated his innocence. RMT stated >explicitly that he did not pay >any money as part of that >agreement.You're telling me he settled without paying anything? No chance.Waive confidentiality.>JWB still choses to believe that >there was a $100k payoff (he has >stated this dozens of times, and >still refuses to support his >statement with any verificable >facts even in the face of >several direct challenges).Several sources, but only the victim, her lawyer, RMT and his lawyer can confirm/deny with undisputable evidence. RMT can waive confidentiality and clear this all up.>The fact that there are checks >written from the KNH tzedakah >for small amounts (a few >thousand dollars or less) to >various individuals (men and >women) is meaningless. Hundreds >of families in the Monsey area >(and beyond) have been (and >currently are) supported by the >fund.Different payoffs, part of the Praesidium report and evidence.>Of course, JWB claims to have >copies of the "payoff" checks, >but conveniently refueses to >post them. If you challenge him >on the facts (which he hates), >he directs you to find the >checks on Luke Ford's websites >(the guy in the porno biz) where >the checks are nowhere to be >found. Check with Luke, I and others saw them when he linked them before. I do not have the link or know if or why it was removed (if that was the case). But they were part of the Praesidium report.Notice how the story keeps changing?Waive confidentiality, give the alleged victims permission to sue in civil court or sue them and the RCA in civil court.Put up or shut up.Notice how they got quiet about brother Aron?
>Fraud is not irrelevant mud. So let RMT sue them in civil court.Put up or shut up.Oh that's right RMT is afraid the big payoff will come out.
>Actually, you are wrong. RMT >never said any such thing. All >he said is that several people >with experience in this field >(specifically, the Vishnitzer >Dayan) told him several years >ago to make an agreement with >one accuser, for the sake of >ending the matter. RMT followed >their advice begrudgingly even >though he stated his innocence. >RMT stated explicitly that he >did not pay any money as part of >that agreement.And you know that how?Because RMT the manipulator and liar told you.Document it, waive confidentiality and prove it.Oh that's right than RMT will be revealed as a liar and you as a sap.
As others have posted, have the ones making allegations sign waivers as well, permitting their therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists to open their files specifically as regarding issues, problems and diagnoses and whether they ever raised these allegations prior to being approached by the midwives.
>As others have posted, have the >ones making allegations sign >waivers as well, permitting >their therapists, psychologists >and psychiatrists to open their >files specifically as regarding >issues, problems and diagnoses >and whether they ever raised >these allegations prior to being >approached by the midwives.Let RMT sue them and the RCA in civil court. A judge will evaluate all the above and enter into evidence anything relevant.But let's get to the bottom of this payoff. Waive confidentiality on the payoff and give alleged victims public permission to sue in civil court.
Danny Boy, you're very quiet on this aren't you?
Note how long and hard RMT supporters have gone in this thread to avoid my simple easy challenge.They haven't even gotten their stories straight on the RMT payoff and settlement.
it amazes me that when the rca makes a ruling against the tendler family they cry foul play and run ti Israel--however when they give a psak that a part feels they were wronged they have nowhere to turn--they seem to feel they are above any-one else--if a person did not afgree with their psak the big Rav Tendler put them in charem--
nobody settles without money
the Tendler family has hurt many families by doing always what they feel is in their best interest--they have used the pulpit many times to hurt many people now it is their turn
>nobody settles without money There you go using logic with these crazies.Of course no one signs a confidentiality agreement for $0 dollars. But if RMT tells them it's the gospel. What saps.
כֵּן, דֶּרֶךְ אִשָּׁה-- מְנָאָפֶתאָכְלָה, וּמָחֲתָה פִיהָ; וְאָמְרָה, לֹא-פָעַלְתִּי אָוֶן.
how many husbands and fathers lives were destroyed by the Tendlers without right to a bes din, or running to a higher authority in Israel?this really is amazing..only self proclaimed "Gedolim" are entitled to due process?and how much money DID the Tendlers receive for running these poor guys in circles during their divorces?
I don't understand the relevance of a check...settling a case is a business decision, it does not suggest validity of claimthe logic of this blog would undermine all American litigation...it is coming from people unfamiliar with the law
>I don't understand the relevance >of a check...settling a case is >a business decision, it does not >suggest validity of claim$100K payoff?The fact that RMT got up in front of his whole congregation and lied about it?Of course you don't understand. You're avoiding my challenge as an RMT supporter your're afraid of the truth.>the logic of this blog would >undermine all American >litigation...it is coming from >people unfamiliar with the lawUtter nonsense, RMT can waive confidentiality AND the American legal system will survive that waiver.My challenge stands.... unanswered by Danny Boy and RMT supporters who monitor this blog.
The biggest issue now stands with JWB and his cohorts. There was not ever any proof to all the allegations and all the accusers includung JWB hide behind a veil of secrecy. Obviously,he can not take the presssure of being wrong,so he continues his lies.He is against what the Torah demands, and that is to go to a Din Torah.That shows me what type of person he is,besides speaking against the Gedolim of our generation.
At 4:28 PM, jewishwhistleblower said... I'm getting tired of your "talking points".Why don't they ask RMT to sign a waiver allowing his past lawyers to discuss the confidentiality agreement one victim signed for about $100K?Why doesn't RMT sign a waiver allowing the alleged victim who was paid off to speak freely?Why not ask RMT to sign a document giving permission to any alleged victims to take him to a civil court?Oh, that's right they're not interested in the truth. Just muddying the names of your Shabtai Tzvi Rebbe's victims. At 4:37 PM, jewishwhistleblower said... This would take one phone call from Danny Boy to his client RMT to get instructions (10 minutes). He could draft a letter in 15 minutes and fax it to the Jewish Week and the Forward (2 minutes):1) waiving confidentiality in the settlement and give formers lawyers and the victim permissions to speak freely. 2) Giving permission to anyone with allegations against RMT to file in civil court (so there is no question of mesirah).So this is my 27 minute challenge to RMT, Danny Boy and RMT enablers.Put up or shut up.DBS replies: First of all I do not represent R. Tendler. I do represent the schul. I defy anyone to try to prove otherwise. Secondly, I don't take suggestion or directive from sniveling cowards who hide behind the veil of blogger anonymity.
At the shul meeting, when asked if Tzedoka funds money was used for a payoff, RMT said that he does not control that money. He defered to Eric. When Eric was asked about it, he danced around but did not deny that Tzedoka money was used. As a contributor to the fund, I am very disturbed and upset to think that the monies I contibuted might not have been used for helping poor and needy families. This is where I, as a bystander in the whole mess, gets very turned off.
>At the shul meeting, when asked if >Tzedoka funds money was used for a >payoff, RMT said that he does not >control that money. He defered to >Eric. When Eric was asked about it, >he danced around but did not deny >that Tzedoka money was used.You are wrong. The question that you are referring to was the question that I submitted at the meeting. The question was: Are you willing to make the books of the tzedakah fund open to public audit. RMT said that he does not maintain the books, that Eric does, and that anyone wanting to see the books should speak to Eric to make the arrangements.Your citation of the question to Eric and his supposed response are simply false. Anyone at the KNH meeting can attest to this fact.
>Your citation of the question to Eric >and his supposed response are simply >false. Anyone at the KNH meeting can >attest to this fact.If that is true, I apologize. That's not the way I heard it, but I'm willing to accept your version. Well, has anyone asked Eric to see the books? Wouldn't this clear things up a little?
Luke "porn" Ford finally came to the aid of his lover JWB, as JWB was being flailed for more lies on this blog. Luke posted the following link (above in this thread) to an image of the $100k payoff check that RMT supposedly wrote to silence an accuser: > http://www.lukeford.net/Images/photos3/tendlerchecks.JPGUnfortunately for JWB and Luke, the link does not lead to anything. Did they really think that people on this blog would accept a phony URL as proof, without actually following the URL to see what is there?!? JWB and Luke: The delirious duo.I challenge JWB to post an unmodified copy of a check for $100k that is written and signed by RMT, and is written to a private individual (as opposed to RMT's mortgage company, or some other reasonable payee for such a large check).If they fail to produce the check, then everyone on this blog can rest assured that it is another of JWB's "fabricated facts" (read: lies).
"But let's get to the bottom of this payoff. Waive confidentiality on the payoff and give alleged victims public permission to sue in civil court."The ones making the allegations must waive all confidentiality first. They must release all of their psychological records with therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists and social workers. Did they ever raise these allegations in any sessions with their counselors? If not, why not? Only the midwives could bring it out? What were their problems, issues and diagnoses? THEY are the ones making allegations and, in the US and under halacha, one is innocent until proven guilty. What are they afraid of? I challenge YOU JWB, the midwives and the women to PROVE their credibility. You and they don't accept this challenge because you all know that the are not credible. It is the same reason the RCA leadership will not be forthcoming. And, it is the same reason the report recommended only a 3-month suspension.You keep harping on a payoff. Quite frankly, it has been proven beyond all doubt that even if the charges are 100% false, RMT has been slimed beyond all human decency. Many times, defendants settle - not because they are guilty but, rather, because the publicity will cause the m more damage than the charges. This blog is PROOF of this. A customer in a store who is shoplifting but makes a huge scene often can get away with it simply due to the fact that the "making a scene" will chase away more business than the stolen item. It is a business decision, not an admission of guilt or innocence.JWB - do you admit to being a Teaneck resident? Just off West Englewood, perhaps?
>If that is true, I apologize. That's >not the way I heard it, but I'm >willing to accept your version. Well, >has anyone asked Eric to see the >books? Wouldn't this clear things up >a little?Apology accepted. Please realize that JWB and his ilk are looking for any shred of information to build their lies upon. Please cite statements from the KNH meeting fully and accurately so that JWB cannot take them out of context (even though this will not likely stop him from his ongoing outright lies).Any donor that wants to see the ledgers of the KNH tzedekah fund should just ask Eric in shul to arrange a time.Of course, JWB will claim that the Tzedakah Funds' books are "cooked" and "crooked" and the lack of any evidence there does not alter the "fact" (read: lie) that RMT paid $100k from the Tzedakah fund to silence an accuser.For someone as delusional as JWB, no amount of proof is sufficient to silence his gradiose consipracy theories.
>DBS replies: First of all I do >not represent R. Tendler. I do >represent the schul. I defy >anyone to try to prove otherwise. >Secondly, I don't take suggestion >or directive from sniveling >cowards who hide behind the veil >of blogger anonymity. Are you denying that you filed documents with the RCA and have written letters to them on behalf of RMT?"Sniveling cowards" seems to be your favorite phrase.Get a waiver of confidentiality from him.
>I challenge JWB to post an >unmodified copy of a check for >$100k that is written and signed >by RMT, and is written to a >private individual (as opposed to >RMT's mortgage company, or some >other reasonable payee for such a >large check).Only RMT the victim and the lawyers involved have that physical evidence. That's why I'm challenging your Rebbe to waive confidentiality so we can settle this once and for all. That was my challenge to your Rebbe, bozo.
>If they fail to produce the >check, then everyone on this blog >can rest assured that it is >another of JWB's "fabricated >facts" (read: lies). Hardly, if your Rebbe waives confidentiality, the payment can be demonstrated easily. The lawyers have records.
>The ones making the allegations >must waive all confidentiality >first. They must release all of >their psychological records with >therapists, psychologists, >psychiatrists and social workers. >Did they ever raise these >allegations in any sessions with >their counselors? If not, why >not? Why don't we have RMT assessed by an independent therapist/psychologist/psychiatristat the same time (fair is fair)? Let RMT sue the alleged victims in civil court, he will get access to all of that that the judge determines is relevant.I encourage him to sue the RCA as well.
>A customer in a store who is >shoplifting but makes a huge >scene often can get away with it >simply due to the fact that >the "making a scene" will chase >away more business than the >stolen item. It is a business >decision, not an admission of >guilt or innocence.So waive confidentiality.>JWB - do you admit to being a >Teaneck resident? Just off West >Englewood, perhaps? As usual you don't have a clue.
>Please cite statements from the >KNH meeting fully and accurately >so that JWB cannot take them out >of context (even though this will >not likely stop him from his >ongoing outright lies).You have a tape of the meeting. Why don't you post the "official" video or an "official transcript?
It's remarkable and sad how JWB continues to lie about the $100k payment, and blatantly refuses to provide any proof for his assertion - again and again and again.He seems to think that he can make any statement he wants, and the burden of proof is on everyone else to prove him wrong. In the real world, the person making the claim has the burden or proof.
>Of course, JWB will claim that >the Tzedakah Funds' books >are "cooked" and "crooked"No, my claim is that there is evidence in the Praesidium report that funds from the Tzedakah Fund were used to pay at least one alleged victm.>and the lack of any evidence >there does not alter the "fact" >(read: lie) that RMT paid $100k >from the Tzedakah fund to silence >an accuserFacts:1) RMT settled with an alleged victim2) a confidentiality agreement was signed3) RMT paid close to $100k and4) physical evidence (tapes) were returned to RMT.I have not indicated where the 100K was paid from. Rather, I have asked to waive confidentiality in this case so such matters can be determined.
>You have a tape of the meeting.And you have no clue. Go fish!
>He seems to think that he can >make any statement he wants, and >the burden of proof is on >everyone else to prove him wrong. >In the real world, the person >making the claim has the burden >or proof. You're wrong. My statements are accurate and can easily be confirmed if RMT waives confidentiality.
JWB believe that the moon is made of green cheese - since any lie repeated often enough becomes "fact" in his puny mind.
>He seems to think that he can >make any statement he wants, and >the burden of proof is on >everyone else to prove him wrong. >In the real world, the person >making the claim has the burden >or proof.Except your Rebbe RMT who made multiple false public assertions at the meeting and at beis din with no documentation or proof.
>My statements are accurate and can >easily be confirmed if RMT waives >confidentiality.Convenient excuse. JWB is clearly in need of professional help.
JWB lives in Canada - i can be more specific
>I have asked to waive confidentiality >in this case so such matters can be >determined.And we have asked you to divulge your name and title. Oh, now I remember... Everyone else is required to comply with your every whim and edict - while you are hiding pretty behind your blog spewing lies.It is arrogant for you to ask anyone to divulge any information, when you won't even "fess up" to your blog. What are you afraid of?Luke Ford is clearly a scumbag, but he still gets more respect from me than you do. At least he has the guts to identify himself.
> JWB lives in Canada - i can be more specificNo he doesn't.I suspect that the above was posted by JWB himself, to shift the focus away from his real identity that is known to several people who post comments here.
>DBS replies: First of all I do >not represent R. Tendler. I do >represent the schul. I defy >anyone to try to prove otherwise. Can DBS and his friends ever say anything resembling the truth? Anyone who knows what the leadership of the "shul" has said and done knows that such a distinction is artificial and deliberately misleading. The mantra at the meeting was "the rabbi is the shul, the shul is the rabbi". anyone on the board who doesn't support tendler has been marginalized or otherwise silenced. Who are you trying to fool? Is anyone stupid enough t buy your lies Danny Boy???
In a way,I feel bad for JWB. He has such hate and venom in himself,he has no way to control it unless he pours it out on an innocent victim,then hiding behind the net.Maybe he should go to counseling. I know of a very good Rabbi in Monsey that could help him out.
As usual the RMT loons don't address any of my challenges.Instead it's attack the victims and their defenders. For the record none of what people have posted about my identity is correct and I am very happy thank you.Notice no one has addressed what I've posted about Rabbi Aron Tendler?Considering the number of RMT supporters, lawyers and publicists monitoring my website, you think they could do a better job than repeating the same boring talking points and spamming my blog.Guess not.
"Notice no one has addressed what I've posted about Rabbi Aron Tendler?"Notice JWB has not addressed what we've posted about his lies.Seems like an even trade to me.
Luke FordFor anyone who has followed Internet journalism over the past year, his story is eerily familiar: He is a boyish, self-taught, 32-year-old Web journalist who produces an eponymous one-man news and gossip Web site out of his low-rent bachelor bungalow south of Beverly Hills. He cheerily publishes unchecked and damaging gossip. He is attacked as irresponsible and threatened with lawsuits. Occasionally, he breaks legitimate stories that have a huge impact. Meet Luke Ford, chronicler of the porn world. Since February, Ford has broken stories revealing that four porn actresses and one porn actor had tested positive for HIV. The news dropped like a bomb in the Los Angeles region's multibillion-dollar porn industry, where AIDS is everyone's darkest fear. The report was picked up by Adult Video News (AVN), which led to a hastily arranged April meeting of more than 40 film producers, who made an unprecedented agreement to "encourage" the use of condoms on the sets of porn films. "Luke Ford has been way out front with the HIV porn story," says Nick Ravo, a business writer at the New York Times, who occasionally writes freelance articles about the adult entertainment industry. "[He] is a quirky Matt Drudge character." Sitting in a tiny, bedless, $400-a-month apartment with little more than a VCR and a floor covered with porn magazines and Jewish theology books, Ford welcomes the comparison. "We are both eccentric. We're both breaking big stories," says the handsome, casually dressed Australian, speaking in a low tone. "But we've also both made serious mistakes. We both need to work harder on checking our sources. We're both dealing with a lot of gossip and sort of disreputable stuff, except that I cover porn." Since starting www.lukeford.com in the summer of 1997, Ford has become the favorite whipping boy of the U.S. porn industry, a self-styled "family" of 500 or so performers, directors, producers, distributors, screenwriters and technicians concentrated almost exclusively in the San Fernando Valley. Ford breaks many of the secretive society's taboos: he posts stars' real names, he discusses the role of the "mafia," and he reveals who has had cosmetic surgery. "The X-rated industry prefers to be a legendary milieu rather than a fact-oriented milieu," laments Bill "Papa Bear" Margold, a 52-year-old former actor who founded the Protecting Adult Welfare foundation, an industry support group with a 24-hour hotline. A former reporter for the now defunct Santa Monica Outlook, Margold has become an informal industry spokesman. "Luke Ford is a creation of his time. He's the journalistic suckerfish on the shark of X. We can't get rid of him, and he goes off and does whatever he wants," says Margold. "He's very interesting in a perverse way. But he's a lazy journalist and brings a lot a misery." In May, for example, Ford brought misery upon retired porn actress Kaithlyn Ashley when he published an erroneous rumor that she was infected with HIV. Ford's friends, it turned out, had confused her name with a Hungarian HIV-positive actress, Caroline, whose real name is similar to Ashley's. Ford quickly printed a retraction. A few weeks later, he reported that veteran actor Marc Wallice had tested positive and had likely spread the virus to three actresses, including Caroline. Wallice and industry professionals who monitor performers' HIV tests were furious, and they won a retraction. Then, just one week later, Wallice came up positive in a new test. "Luke Ford is like a blind pig lost in the forest," Margold says. "The pig might find a lot of worms, poison ivy, but sometimes truffles, also. In the Marc Wallice breakout, he was lucky the rumors winded up being factual." Tousling his teenage haircut, Ford defended posting the rumors without bothering to call Wallice. "I couldn't get a hold of him," he says. The positive test one week later, he says, was no coincidence. "Give me a break," he squeaks. "Marc Wallice is known to have faked HIV test results two years ago. He has done gay porn and IV drugs. He was semi-blackballed by some producers in the industry for year. He might have been positive two years ago. It's not clear. When sources tipped me about his status, I knew I had news here." Ford called his error about Kaithlyn Ashley "very embarrassing," but he claimed that the postings on HIV sparked an overwhelming demand for performers like Wallice to take a proper test. The result, says Ravo, has had a strong impact on the industry. "If it hadn't been for Luke Ford, [this HIV outbreak] may have not gone public and could have been covered up," Ravo says. "I'm not sure AVN would have gone digging and published it." AVN reporter Mark Kernes says his magazine considers Ford untrustworthy, and says it waited to publish the news about Wallice until "it would turn from rumor into fact." Margold, whose foundation helps find health care coverage for performers, says the industry didn't need Ford to act against the spreading of AIDS. "There's nothing we care about with more seriousness than the health and the lives of 'the kids' in the industry," he says. "Calling Luke Ford the Matt Drudge of porn is giving him way too much credit. The news spread perfectly without him." Anyone familiar with the porn industry would raise an eyebrow at that assertion, considering the distorted quality of news in this rumor-fueled family of frequently bizarre characters. People traditionally stay informed through casting agencies, friends, or the grapevine, says Jeffrey J. Douglas, an attorney and executive director of the industry's trade association, the Free Speech Coalition. "Internal information is informal; there is no Hollywood Reporter," says Douglas. AVN, Margold says, is widely seen more as "an advertising orifice" than as an information source. "I definitely stumbled into a niche there," says Ford. "There was no one doing what I'm doing now, exploring this virgin territory." As a child, Ford wanted to become a missionary. His father, a strict Seventh Day Adventist evangelist, was a controversial figure in Australia. "Sexual sins were the biggest sins, therefore I was attracted and used pornography a lot as a teenager for blasphematory release," Ford recalls. When he moved to California in 1977, Ford started writing for his high-school paper, developing a taste for unearthing scandals such as favoritism on the football team. He later worked for the news department of KAHI/KHYL radio in Sacramento. From ages 21-27, Ford was bedridden with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and as he began recovering, he converted to Judaism. Two years later, he moved to Los Angeles, and soon noticed he couldn't find investigative books about the porn industry. Intrigued, Ford began doing research for his own book, which he says will be published by Prometheus next spring. The first editions of his crudely designed, mono-color Web site were fueled by leftovers from his research, which he supplemented with reports from film sets, gossip lifted from newsgroups, and essays on breast implants. The site has links to Ford's other site, www.dennisprager.net, an unauthorized collection of information about the Jewish radio theologian. You can also click on titles such as "Girls" and "Cybererotica," which directly link to commercial porn sites. "I don't like cheesy banners, I don't want naked girls on my site, so I have discreet links to my advertisers," Ford explains. "I know it's confusing but that's how I make my living." He says he now makes about $3,000 a month, which will allow him to hire an assistant. He claims the site attracts 50,000 hits a day. It is not a sophisticated site. "In terms of design, it's certainly the worst site I've seen in the past three or four years," says Mike Godwin, counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an Internet advocacy group. "It does make Matt Drudge look pretty good." But Godwin is fascinated by Ford's pack-rat instincts of collecting every transcript of every tape-recorded conversation he has. 'It gives people from the industry and fans a sense of connection," he says. Readers can feel like they are part of this strange world, and there is something human about how Ford will write about embarrassing situations, like when a beautiful actress vehemently refuses to accept his offer of a kosher cake, or when superagent Jim South tries to kick him out of his office. "Unlike Matt Drudge, Ford lets people criticize him and posts the criticism on his site," Godwin notes. "No one else would probably do what he does with so much devotion and work… It's a labor of love." But subjects of his articles don't paint so rosy a picture. "Luke first seems extremely pleasant in person, but he has a gift to create controversy and bring out malice," says the Free Speech Coalition's Douglas. "The bio he wrote on me has been exaggerated, taken out of context, and written in a tone to shock and appall the reader," says recently-retired porn actress Asia Carrera, who now makes her money running her own Web site. 'When he came to my house to interview me, he attacked my beliefs, and scoffed at the pain in my past, telling me I needed to 'get over it,' " she says. "Very sensitive journalistic professionalism there." Brandy Alexandre, a former porn star who says she started the first porn news site in cyberspace in 1993, and whose site has been largely overshadowed by Ford's, says 90% of what Ford posts is erroneous. "Luke Ford thinks he's more powerful than he really is," Alexandre says. "He can't write, he doesn't have good information. He's an evil little hack." Adult screenwriter and journalist Martin Brimmer says he uses Ford's site for research and checks it regularly, but takes the information with a grain of salt. "Luke Ford doesn't stop to apply editorial expertise," Brimmer stresses. "He needs to slow down in that respect. Ninety percent of his content is very good but he needs to corroborate his facts. And he needs to be more respectful towards people in the industry." Douglas says Ford is not truly useful to the porn community. "Luke is obsessed with the industry, the Jews in the industry, the mafia, which is totally ridiculous, and he's hostile to most of the things he's obsessed with," he says."Ford is of no use to anyone," snaps Carrera. "Gossip is of no use to anyone. Ford never chooses to reveal anything positive or enlightening, or even anything remotely close to newsworthy. He's a failed author relegated to the level of yellow journalist." (This reporter involuntarily experienced Ford's methods when he published an error-filled transcript of an informal conversation we had about the Eastern European porn industry. Ford sent his notes by e-mail and asked for clarifications, but only after he had already posted the imperfect notes on his site. He apologized and quickly retracted the transcript.) Ford knows his methods make industry people shriek. He's not ashamed of not bothering to call the subject of a story, as in the Marc Wallice case. "People are not good sources on themselves, generally speaking," he retorts. "It's a business built on lies. Most people don't use their real names; this business has been illegal until recently and it's still semi-illegal. It's a business of hoods, gangsters, thugs, mafia, pimps and prostitutes, with few real offices or semi-offices. It's very difficult to nail down what is true and it's an endless task." He says that when he eventually tracks down people and e-mails them his notes, they usually "go ballistic." "They start screaming that I'm publishing lies. But these people are used to being in their own little world; they are not used to dealing with real journalism," Ford says. Ford is perfectly aware he causes pain, but only, he says, because he is "usually telling the truth." "People insult me but they still talk to me," he says. "A lot of people have mixed feelings -- they hate me but they also respect me. Some think they'd better talk to me if they want to get their message out. They figure they can seduce me." He says actors use his site to learn about directors they don't know. "They can check [a director's] profile on my site and learn if he has a bad reputation for writing bad checks or working for the mafia," he says. Ford has yet to be served with court papers. "I get threats all the time, never taken into court yet," he says. "Each time I receive [lawsuit threats], I make a copy and paste it on the Web site, because they are so ludicrous." His site is free for now, but will go to a subscription-based model some time this fall, says Ron Levy, manager of Voice Media, Inc., which has been Ford's main sponsor since January. "We'll add pictures and we'll revamp it," he says. "I think everybody in the industry would want to subscribe." Ford says he is still ambivalent about his chosen profession, and is not always comfortable with how it has affected his life. "Sometimes I think it's acceptable, sometimes disgusting. It costs me a lot of social stigma. I was turned out from my favorite synagogue, my family is furious, my friends too," he says. "I'm lucky I got the Sabbath: at least one day a week I don't touch the computer and I don't deal with porn."
The battle for the soul of Luke Ford is over. Ford -- the Web-based gossip columnist universally reviled and universally read by the porn industry he covered -- left the smut business behind last week.But unlike so many retiring dot-commers, Ford's reasons for bowing have nothing to do with slumping ad revenues or fed-up investors. Instead, Ford is calling it quits because of his religious beliefs. Ford's triple-X connections had long been in simmering conflict with his involvement in Los Angeles' Orthodox Jewish community. For years, the gossip lived "constantly on the knife's edge," knowing that he'd be tossed out of Young Israel of Century City, his strictly-observant synagogue -- where he studied Talmud every morning -- if the leadership found out about his website -- where he dished out equal portions of news and half-truths every night. In late June, the tension reached its boiling point. "I should've known something was wrong when I walked into shul (Yiddish for synagogue) this morning," Ford wrote. "I'd forgotten my yarmulke (skullcap) and had to scrounge around the children's toys cupboard to find one. It was painted with ghosts." After prayers, Young Israel's Rabbi, Elazar Mushkin, informed his congregant that he had discovered the truth about Ford's "double life." "You can imagine how humiliated we feel now," Mushkin told Ford. "I brought you into my own house for Passover and introduced you to my family." Ford left Young Israel. Six weeks later, he had sold his trash-talking LukeFord.com site to online smut center Netvideogirls.com for $25,000 and began making plans to move to Jerusalem. This wasn't the first time he'd been booted from a congregation. In December, 1997 -- months after constructing his site from the material gathered for his book, A History of X -- Ford's then-Rabbi asked him to end his adult industry involvement. When Ford failed to do so by April of 1998, he was told to get out. This spiritual nadir came as his career began to peak. In the same month, Ford landed his biggest scoop: that veteran money-shooter Marc Wallace had HIV. The revelation injected him into the mainstream's consciousness and cemented his infamous reputation in the adult community. Summing up the porn business' feelings about Ford, Mark Kernes, an editor at Adult Video News (AVN), the porn industry trade magazine, said "Luke Ford is a scumbag. And you can print that." The abuse only seemed to encourage Ford to outrageous heights, with salacious stories about porn tarts turning tricks, movie moguls dealing with the mob, and down-on-their luck actresses doing it with dogs. "I'll put up anything someone's willing to put their name on," Ford once boasted. "If someone tells me (AVN founder) Paul Fishbein sticks bananas up his anus in an on-the-record interview, I'll happily publish it." Strangely enough, Ford -- the converted son of an Australian evangelist -- was also happy to couple this less-than-holy material with lengthy debates of Jewish law and melancholic, angst-filled ruminations on living in the conflicting realms of smut and Sinai. In response to his free-wheeling posting policies, Ford was sued -- and threatened with lawsuits -- on several occasions. And he was threatened with worse when he began questioning the financial stability of RJB Telecom, one of the most prominent porno pay site operators. "Hey Luke if I ever see you in public...I hope you bring that BIG gun...your gonna [sic] need it," posted one angry reader. But despite such hostility, Ford attracted enough of an income from adult advertisers -- around $45,000 annually -- to keep himself fed and the site afloat. And he got plenty of attention from adult industry insiders, with many of the people who trashed Ford in public perfectly happy to supply him dirt in private."A couple of years ago, I would have been jumping up and down for joy to see Luke Ford 'eliminated,'" writes well-known porn performer Asia Carrera. "Then I figured out how to use him to my advantage (having Luke around to disseminate scurrilous 'anonymous scoops' on one's enemies was almost TOO convenient!)" It's this interest from blue-movie bigwigs that made LukeFord.com an attractive buy for Michael Keene, the Netvideogirls.com chieftain. "We (made the purchase) to introduce ourselves to the players," he said. "Already from the people we've met, we have our money's worth." Few in the adult community believe Ford will actually leave the industry behind. "He'll be back. He can't stand to be away from this business," said AVN's Kernes. So Ford has bet over $7,000 with skeptics, like online madam "Nici," that he'll still be out of porn by Oct. 1. By then, Ford contends, he'll be ready to move to Jerusalem. "I really think we're going to have a war (in Israel), and I want to be there to cover it," Ford said. He'll upload such material -- along with his religious musings -- to his new LukeFord.net site. "I never covered a war before. But I've certainly dealt with a lot of dangerous people." He jokes, "I plan to do for the Middle East what I've done for the pornography industry." Meanwhile, Netvideogirls.com's Keene says LukeFord.com will continue its rowdy ways. "We're not going to be toned down. We're not going to check every story," he said. "We're going to be true to the character of Luke."
Luke Ford and JWB are cut from the same cloth. How sad.
For all who post on this blog:do not respond to any of JWB's questions and challenges until he is willing to identify himself. let the wicked one tell us who he is before we continue conversations with his ludicrous statements "of fact".
For all your attempts to smear Ford, at least hea) was out in the open when he wrote about the porn industry, not hiding behind an aliasb)turned away from it due to the conflicts with his religionc) wasn't out scamming or manipulating anyone nor abusing a position of authority over women.
Notice how JWB deletes posts his disagrees with. Wimp.
>Notice how JWB deletes posts his >disagrees with. Wimp.Quite the contrary.I am deleting:1) Spam2) any posts which link to sites or name alleged victims and their supporters who I do not believe are public figuresI've left virtually all other posts alone. I would perfer not to delete any posts but certain RMT supporters and a certain former Israeli "journalist" who likes the phrase "monkey feces" (and is a follower of a "Rabbi" who writes on-line pornography about dismembering and having sex with a Gentile boy) has made that impossible.If people treat and discuss these issues with tact, I will tone down accordingly. If people want a fight ... bring it on.
>Notice how JWB deletes posts his disagrees with. Wimp.Agreed 100%. Cretin. Go fish!
"I've left virtually all other posts alone"You have to give credit to JWB for being a creative liar.
Isn't it interesting, how for weeks JWB, NHN and all those that are waiting on the sidelines for KNH to fall have been stating information that is totally false.No DNA, No Women have come forward about an affair. RMT is still the rabbi of the community. No mass exodus of members.Now since JWB has nothing left he, she, or it reverts to asking RMT to sign a waver.JWB, you are a joke! Especially since none of what you have predicted has come through.
Excuse me, these women are NOT alleged victims of anything, deserving of confidentiality or sympathyThey are admitted adulteresses. We accept their confession. Put them in cherem today!The shul is not divided only on the issue of the Rabbi....many of us accept that some "conduct unbecoming the Rabbi" as the RCA put it, occurred. We accept their confession of adultery.Now NEVER set foot in our synagogue again, or you will get the same public display we would give a man denying a Get. If you sit the women;s section for Pesach, expect a public humiliation beyond your wildest nightmare -- your feminist friends can't protect you in our shul anymore
JWB (aka Gary "Gadi" Pickholz) just lies over and over again, and claims that he has "inside sources" who have confirmed his "facts".
>"I've left virtually all other >posts alone">>You have to give credit to JWB >for being a creative liar. I used virtually, as there are posters who want to discuss a case here that involves young childen and they continuously link to a site that has the family name of the children in documents. I will delete all links and discussion of that case here.
>JWB, you are a joke! Especially >since none of what you have >predicted has come through. Other than the public support of two relatives, I've been dead on.I never predicted a mass exodus or that they would get rid of RMT.I also thought the RCA would deal with things quietly as they have many times in the past. But RMT made that impossible to a small extent.Why don't they ask RMT to sign a waiver allowing his past lawyers to discuss the confidentiality agreement one victim signed for about $100K?Why doesn't RMT sign a waiver allowing the alleged victim who was paid off to speak freely?Why not ask RMT to sign a document giving permission to any alleged victims to take him to a civil court?Oh, that's right they're not interested in the truth. Just muddying the names of your Shabtai Tzvi Rebbe's victims.
>JWB, you are a joke! Especially since >none of what you have predicted has >come through.You forgot JWB's biggest gaffe. He stated that he personally spoke with the Feinsteins, and that neither Rav Dovid nor Rav Reuven were supporting RMT.Of course, Rav Dovid and Rebbetzin Sheila (Rav Reuven's wife) attended the meeting at KNH. And, both Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven each wrote a PSAK HALACHA (their words) that the RCA ruling must be ignored. Furthermore, they wrote that they each reviewed the accusations and evidence and stated that RMT is 100% innocent of the accusations.Once again, JWB lied and was caught. He is a pathological liar, and probably does not even realize that he needs help.
>JWB, you are a joke! Especially >since none of what you have >predicted has come through. Yet you read my blog and comment. What does that make you?
>He stated that he personally >spoke with the Feinsteins, and >that neither Rav Dovid nor Rav >Reuven were supporting RMT.Please link any statement I made that I spoke personally with them.
"Yet you read my blog and comment. What does that make you?"Yet another brilliant comment from JWB. Your comment is the intellectual equivalent of saying "I know you are, but what am I" on the playground in 3rd grade.Whether you realize it or not, your blog helps the pro-RMT cause by making the accusers (and their handlers/supporters) look like a bunch of lieing buffoons.
"Please link any statement I made that I spoke personally with them."You can't hide from your own words. We all read it. The fact that you delete your own posts to hide your lies does not change the fact that the readers of this blog caught you in a bold-faced lie - whether you admit it or not.Cretin. Go fish!
>We all read it. The fact that >you delete your own posts to >hide your lies does not change >the fact that the readers of >this blog caught you in a bold->faced lie - whether you admit it >or not.Link it. Link it from an archived version/google cache.The only posts of my own I deleted was a paragraph about a victim who was not part of the RCA/Praesidium investigation and a few posts that unintentionally quoted posts with initials of victims/their supporters.
"I never predicted a mass exodus"I doubt that JWB is capable of distinguishing truth from lies (which he refers to as "facts").At the time the RCA ruling was made public, you said that KNH was collapsing and that they barely got a minyan. Yet, first-person accounts stated otherwise, proving you lied then too.You also said that the board was against RMT as was the membership. Again, only lies from JWB.I'm sure that you'll deny that you said these things (and delete your posts as well), but the readers of this blog read what you wrote.
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> Link it. Link it from an archived version/google cache.Sorry. Just like you make assertions and expect us to prove you wrong, I'll follow your line of logic and tell you to do the same.More than one poster here has seen you delete your own post to cover your lies. If you want to prove otherwise, feel free.Cretin. Go fish!
At 6:30 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... You're missing my main point. Prominant members of his family like Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven KNOW he's pond scum. At 7:03 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... >do you know for sure that they >think "he is pond scum". Yes, and it would be easy for Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's followers to check the accuracy of my statements.The people here defending him, don't know him anywhere as long or as well. Maybe they should speak to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven before defending him further.11:54 PM, jewishwhistleblower said... Why don't you phone Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven directly and ask them if they are supporting Rabbi Mordechai Tendler and will personally vouch for his "good character"? You will be surprised. The lies you are believing are just that ... lies.At 7:03 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... >do you know for sure that they >think "he is pond scum".Yes, and it would be easy for Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's followers to check the accuracy of my statements.>let's say that they DO come out >with something public in the >future, now that it's getting >really big, and till now they >haven't, and only been observing >and advising quietly, do you >mean to tell me that you will >believe them?1) If you think that will happen or is happening, you're on crack.2) They know him longer and better than others.Not a matter of belief. Just the facts.At 7:54 AM, jewishwhistleblower said... >Feel free to correct me, but I >think you're saying that if R >Dovid and R Reuven did state >their trust in and support of >MT, you would retract everything >you've said, maybe even ask for >mechilla.They have eyes, yet they do not see. They have ears and yet they do not hear.If elephants had wings, they could fly?The people here defending Rabbi Mordechai Tendler, don't know him anywhere as long or as well. Maybe they should speak to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven before defending him further and attacking others.At 11:45 AM, jewishwhistleblower said. Not a matter of belief. Just the facts. Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is a Rasha, no one knows that better than people in his family.Which is why people should take their position on Rabbi Mordechai Tendler seriously.At 3:30 PM, jewishwhistleblower said... They have no intention of supporting their rasha relative, unlike some of youAt 11:54 PM, jewishwhistleblower said...Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven are helping Rabbi Mordechai Tendler? Are you high? What flavor is your koolaide?
>At the time the RCA ruling was >made public, you said that KNH >was collapsing and that they >barely got a minyan.No, that was a comment posted by a reader.>Yet, first-person accounts >stated otherwise, proving you >lied then too.No, that was a comment posted by a reader.>You also said that the board was >against RMT as was the >membership.No, that was a comment posted by a reader.>Again, only lies from JWB.>>I'm sure that you'll deny that >you said these things (and >delete your posts as well), but >the readers of this blog read >what you wrote.Those posts are all still there. Read them. I never claimed any of the things you have stated here. In these situations, the sexual predator virtually always enjoys community support and victims are subjected to community scorn.
Luke "porn" Ford finally came to the aid of his lover JWB, as JWB was being flailed for more lies on this blog. Luke posted the following link (above in this thread) to an image of the $100k payoff check that RMT supposedly wrote to silence an accuser:> http://www.lukeford.net/Images/photos3/tendlerchecks.JPGUnfortunately for JWB and Luke, the link does not lead to anything. Did they really think that people on this blog would accept a phony URL as proof, without actually following the URL to see what is there?!? JWB and Luke: The delirious duo.I challenge JWB to post an unmodified copy of a check for $100k that is written and signed by RMT, and is written to a private individual (as opposed to RMT's mortgage company, or some other reasonable payee for such a large check).If they fail to produce the check, then everyone on this blog can rest assured that it is another of JWB's "fabricated facts" (read: lies).
Again from California!* Chillul Hashem* Motzi shem ra* Lashon Harah* Mah yomru hagoyim?* Nibul Peh* Nog'im bdvar halachaTHIS WILL ONLY STOP WHEN THIS ISSUE IS ADJUDICATED TO ITS TRUTH OR FALSITY!!IT IS TIME FOR BOTH THE TENDLERS AND THE RCA TO COME FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY CAN PROVE EITHER BY RELEASING A REPORT OR PROVING THE FALSITY OF STATEMENTS.FOR GOD'S SAKE - BOTH SIDES: PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!IF THE TENDLERS CAN PROVE THE FALSITY OF THE ACCUSATIONS; DO SO!IF THE RCA CAN PROVE THAT THEY WERE CORRECT IN THEIR DECISION; DO SO!ANAH HASHEM HOSHIYAH NAH!!
"No, that was a comment posted by a reader.""No, that was a comment posted by a reader.""No, that was a comment posted by a reader."Yep, typical JWB response.At first you were entertaining (albeit with lies). Now you just boring.
>More than one poster here has >seen you delete your own post to >cover your lies. If you want to >prove otherwise, feel free.If that were true:1) You would post copies of them.2) I would have taken all posts down regarding the support of RMT by Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven. I haven't.
At 7:03 AM, jewishwhistleblower said...>>do you know for sure that they>>think "he is pond scum".>Yes, and it would be easy for Rabbi >Mordechai Tendler's followers to >check the accuracy of my statements.Your answer "Yes" indicates that you communicated with Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven and they told you that RMT is "pond scum".You lied. You have been caught AGAIN. Feel free to deny it. No one here believes you either way.
Notice what today's talking points are (me).Easier then addressing my simple challenge:Why don't they ask RMT to sign a waiver allowing his past lawyers to discuss the confidentiality agreement one victim signed for about $100K?Why doesn't RMT sign a waiver allowing the alleged victim who was paid off to speak freely?Why not ask RMT to sign a document giving permission to any alleged victims to take him to a civil court?Oh, that's right they're not interested in the truth. Just muddying the names of your Shabtai Tzvi Rebbe's victims.
>Your answer "Yes" indicates that >you communicated with Rav Dovid >and Rav Reuven and they told you >that RMT is "pond scum".>>You lied. You have been caught >AGAIN. Feel free to deny it. No >one here believes you either >way. No, my answer yes does not mean that at all. It means I had sources of information who now are similarily surprised that they would associate and support RMT but were not surprised by their attacks on the RCA (and MO movement).Blood is thick.
In the recent past when Rav Aharon Kotler, Rav Yitzchok Hutner, and even Rav Yoser Dov Baer Soloveitchik zichronam levracha walked the earth there was never a doubt who was a a true Gadol b'Yisrael in America. Today you have offsprings of Gedolim who should no better than to act inappropriately in divrei halacha. If the former generations were truly great - what does this say to a leadership that should know better?
>Why don't they ask RMT to sign a >waiver allowing his past lawyers to >discuss the confidentiality agreement >one victim signed for about $100K?You want disclosure?!? First you disclose your identity - then we'll talk. Until then, you deserve nothing but pity and scorn.
>You want disclosure?!? First you >disclose your identity - then >we'll talk. Until then, you >deserve nothing but pity and >scorn. Says the moron named... KNHMember. Disclose your own identity.
see Newhempsteadnews.blogspot.com on the connection between Elaine Silverberg and Tendler
Hey! This blogspot is too lame to differeniate between knhmember and KNHmember. Please don't confuse the two. We are NOT the same person.thanks
JWB does not reveal his identity because he would become a pariah in his own community (Teaneck, not Monsey). He is no journalist, although he pretends to be one. He is no investigative reporter, although he pretends to be one. All he is is a major league gossip. Would anybody really believe the town gossip? All he is is pathetic. Funny that comes out right around parshas Metzora. Too bad all he has is the desire to destroy others (specifically Orthodox Jews).
>JWB does not reveal his identity ...Nonsense I've addressed above.>Too bad all he has is the desire >to destroy others (specifically >Orthodox Jews).If you read my whole blog you would find I address the whole spectrum of Judaism. My problem is with corruption and sexual predators NOT Judaism.
I have to be honest. I really like JWB. He's intellegent, articulate, not afraid to say what's on his mind. I also think Luke Ford is kind of cute. I've looked at his pictures. To bad there isn't someone as charming as JWB and as cute as Luke. That would be a great shuddich for me.
The Awareness center was not involved in either the investigation or the RCA's vaad hakavod. The list of names given by RMT's Israeli lawyer to the Beis Din in Yerushalayim and printed in the Jewish Press is an innaccurate guess as to who is on the vaad hakavod.
I am so sorry you are so depressed and lonely that you have nothing better to do but attack those who don't agree with you. I know that you love Mordecai Tendler, and you can't seem to get the attention you deserve from him. My bet is that you are a man, and it appears that Mordecai only gives special attention to women. There are other rabbis who seem to like men better then women. Did you ever try to give Rabbi Ephraim Bryks a call. He likes both teenage boys and women.
oops I goofed. I think you would do better with Matis Weinberg. He really likes good looking young men.
>The Awareness center was not involved >in either the investigation or the >RCA's vaad hakavod.You missed the point of the original post. The person's point was that the fact that Midwife I and Rabbi Blau are both on the board of the Awareness Center creates a conflict of interest, since Midwife I is the primary coordinator of the allegations against RMT and Blau is a powerful figure in the RCA who was investigating RMT.I am not insinuating that Rabbi Blau did anything wrong. I am only agreeing with the previous poster's conclusion that there is a clear conflict of interest here. If Rabbi Blau had any role (in any capacity) in the RCA's kangaroo court, then there is reason for further accusations of irregularities and halachic violations in the RCA process.
"You missed the point of the original post. The person's point was that the fact that Midwife I and Rabbi Blau are both on the board of the Awareness Center creates a conflict of interest, since Midwife I is the primary coordinator of the allegations against RMT and Blau is a powerful figure in the RCA who was investigating RMT."Exactly. Moreover, was Praesidium informed as to the existing relationship between the party making the allegations and the RCA? Exactly what was Rabbi Blau's role in selecting Praesidium and what was his communication with them, especially as regarding Midwife I? Did he vouch for his fellow board member? I am not insinuating that Rabbi Blau did anything wrong. I am only agreeing with the previous poster's conclusion that there is a clear conflict of interest here. If Rabbi Blau had any role (in any capacity) in the RCA's kangaroo court, then there is reason for further accusations of irregularities and halachic violations in the RCA process.
"You missed the point of the original post. The person's point was that the fact that Midwife I and Rabbi Blau are both on the board of the Awareness Center creates a conflict of interest, since Midwife I is the primary coordinator of the allegations against RMT and Blau is a powerful figure in the RCA who was investigating RMT."Exactly. Moreover, was Praesidium informed as to the existing relationship between the party making the allegations and the RCA? Exactly what was Rabbi Blau's role in selecting Praesidium and what was his communication with them, especially as regarding Midwife I? Did he vouch for his fellow board member?
Rabbi Blau had nothing to do with the RCA committee. It's interesting that you choose to make false statements on here of such an honorable man.I'm so sorry that you are feeling so desperate that you are stooping so low. Perhaps psychotherapy would be helpful to you at this time.
>The Awareness center was not >involved in either the >investigation or the RCA's vaad >hakavod. The list of names given >by RMT's Israeli lawyer to the >Beis Din in Yerushalayim and >printed in the Jewish Press is >an innaccurate guess as to who >is on the vaad hakavod. That is accurate. It is clear that both Rabbis Blau and Dratch due to their connection to the Awareness Center had zero to do with the investigation or the RCA's vaad hakavod. It was considered by the RCA to be a conflict of interest, so both were removed from any potential conflict in this situation.It seems RMT supporters demand others provide "proof" yet are quite willing to make spurious allegations against RMT's preceived "enemies" without any.
today is the Yahrzeit of Miriam bas Amram, and preceisely one year later the date of "kivush ha'aretz" when Yehoshua actually crossed the Yarden river and first conquered land in EYIn honor of Miriam, can we hold off for 24 hours of loshon hora?Both sides?
"I challenge JWB to post an unmodified copy of a check for $100k that is written and signed by RMT, and is written to a private individual (as opposed to RMT's mortgage company, or some other reasonable payee for such a large check)."If they fail to produce the check, then everyone on this blog can rest assured that it is another of JWB's "fabricated facts" (read: lies)."What a joke- JWB challenges MT and DBS to do something they could do if they wanted to (ie if they were interested in the truth comming out- which is the opposite of what they really want) and the response is to challenge JWB to do something that there is no reason in the world to think he could regardless of the fact that he wants to??? What stupidity! Why should any one be so dumb as to swallow this (typical MT garbage???The payoff was admitted to by Eric (president of KNH) and others on some occasions and and is well established- regardless of whether or not a particular person does or does not have access to the check. Why would anyone have access to it? Does everyone have access to your cancelled checks???What is this???There was a payoff, it is well known, the RCA has proff and they need not prove anything- they are not on trail here (other than in the minds of mt and his cult followers)!!!Stop the stupidity & lies already!!! MT defenders- stop assuming everyone is stupid and will buy every rediculous lie- the whole world doesn't consist of the gulible fools of knh!ALso it is amazing to hear DBS talk of lies and fabrications when the mt defence has consisted of one known lie after another (begining with "never met women behind closed doors"- there are countless men and women in NH who know this is a boldfaced lie!!!
>It's interesting that you choose to >make false statements on here of such >an honorable man (Rabbi Blau).In fact, no one made any negative or false statements. All anyone said is that there is a clear conflict of interest that should have disqualified him from being part of the RCA kangaroo court and that this conflict of interest should have been made known to the Praesidium investigator.So far as I can tell, Rabbi Blau's did nothing wrong, aside from associating himself with an organization that includes Midwife I.
>The payoff was admitted to by Eric >(president of KNH) and others on some >occasionsUntrue. Please speak with Eric. I did.>and and is well established- >regardless of whether or not a >particular person does or does not >have access to the check.>Why would anyone have access to it?Because JWB and Luke Ford claim to have a COPY OF THE CHECK(S) and have provided nothing but a phony URL as their "proof"!!!JWB has stated as a "fact" that RMT paid $100k to silence an accuser. JWB and Luke Ford claim to have copies of the check(s). If so, then let them present their proof.JWB has a long history of lies on this blog (and has been caught multiple times). Therefore, the burden of proof for anything that he says is very high.
>In fact, no one made any >negative or false statements. See above "speculative posts" and the RMT filings at the Jerusalem Beis Din naming Blau. All negative and false statements. >All anyone said is that there is >a clear conflict of interest >that should have disqualified >him from being part of the RCA >kangaroo court and that this >conflict of interest should have >been made known to the >Praesidium investigator.Blau had zero to do with the RMT investigation at the RCA as the RCA determined it would be a conflict of interest.>So far as I can tell, Rabbi >Blau's did nothing wrong,Correct.>aside from associating himself >with an organization that >includes Midwife I.That as far as I know is not a crime or doing anything wrong.Frankly, associating with RMT is a much worse "crime".>the RCA kangaroo court Proof please, not inuendo. As we've shown even the names filed at the Jerusalem Beis Din by RMT are false.
>Because JWB and Luke Ford claim >to have a COPY OF THE CHECK(S) >and have provided nothing but a >phony URL as their "proof"!!!If you read those posts properly you would realize those checks constitute part of the Praesidium evidence relating to a different victim.>JWB has stated as a "fact" that >RMT paid $100k to silence an >accuser.Fact, around 100k paid.>JWB and Luke Ford claim >to have copies of the check(s). Again, no. You're mixing up two different victims.>If so, then let them present >their proof.Luke posted the checks. RMT needs to waive confidentiality so we can post the other (around 100k) payoff information (different victim).
>Luke posted the checks.Luke posted a bogus URL and nothing more. You appear to be incapable of telling the truth. It's sad, really.Cretin. Go fish!
Let's get back on topic. The question posed originally by JWB has to do with Tendler opening up the case that was settled out of court. Why is it that he is refusing to do this? What evidence is there? Why was he so eager to settle out of court on this particular case?How does Mordecai's wife Michelle feel about the fact that all of these allegations were made against her husband? Has anyone bothered to offer her counseling? Does she have the support needed to leave a husband that would cheat on her? How about their children? Are they in counseling to help them deal with the fact that so many women over so many years have claimed sexual harassment, physical and sexual abuse and assault?Are his kids safe? Has anyone bother to make sure that the Tendler children have not been abused in anyway?
>Proof please, not inuendo (sic).You are the king of innuendo, and you have never presented one shred of proof for any of your "facts".For you to expect us to hold to a standard that you yourself refuse to keep is quite laughable. You are a hypocrite.Cretin. Go fish!
>Let's get back on topic. The question >posed originally by JWB has to do >with Tendler opening up the case that >was settled out of court. Why is it >that he is refusing to do this?It is funny to see JWB post on his own blog as "Anonymous". He is truly pathetic.
so much for taking a 24 hour break from loshon hora in zechus of Miriam HaNeviyaHashem Yirachem
I agree, let's get back to the point of the discussion:Has Michelle received sufficient support within her community to assure that the harlots who admit to affairs with her husband have been placed in cherem?No?How could this possibly be in a frum community?Tendler stills argues his innocence, and is entitled to due process in that regard, but what about these women who admit to adultery? Why are they still being permitted inside shul for pesach?Will there be an organized protest if they dare enter in sympathy with with cuckolded wife, even if she is our Rebbetzin?I know I for one will no longer be silent if these harlots appear in shul..or next year it will be me in Michelle's shoesAppalled KNH Wife
The only pathetic thing here in this blog is that the women continue to be called 'harlots'.Disgusting.
Cut out the smoke screens- cherem for mt first and foremost. Notice the cherem talking points fail to mention ths, in addition to pretending the matter of mt is settled already and we should now deal with the women. lies smoke screens and deception- mt has trained you all well! (with help from eric, danny boy...
it may be completely irrelevant, but at least it is not more loshon hora by either sidebizechus Miriam Ha Neviya
NOW GO TO www.rabbis.orgTO SEE THE HACHLATOT OF THE BET DIN HAEZORI IN YERUSHALAYIM AND THE NEW RCA STATEMENT.SORRY, TENDLERITES!!THE BET DIN SIDES WITH THE RCA>
"THE BET DIN SIDES WITH THE RCA"Not exactly. Read the 2nd PDF file closely, particularly the 2nd page.
NOW GO TO www.rabbis.orgTO SEE THE HACHLATOT OF THE BET DIN HAEZORI IN YERUSHALAYIM AND THE NEW RCA STATEMENT.SORRY, TENDLERITES!!THE BET DIN SIDES WITH THE RCA>Guess you can't read Hebrew. It did nothing of the sort.Moron.
My ivrit's a bit broken, but as best as I can make out, the 1st hachlatah says that the RCA can't do anything to affect RMT's rulership without a beis din. The 2nd Hachlatah says that :1. They never meant to disparage the honor of the RCA,2. their psak was only based on their understanding that the RCA was doing an irreversible (?) thing to undermine RMT's leadership. However, as they understand it now, they agree that the RCA wsn't doing such a thing, and the RCA's ruling using its "vaad habirur" (clarification committee) stands.Bottom line- a clear victory for the embattled RCA, having support for their decision from the Israeli Beis Din, and a clear defeat for RMT, by letting everyone know that RMT's camp wrongly spun this to the beis din in Israel, producing a bad psak.
"Who are the two midwives?"Old news. http://www.imamidwives.com/team/
"1. They never meant to disparage the honor of the RCA,2. their psak was only based on their understanding that the RCA was doing an irreversible (?) thing to undermine RMT's leadership. However, as they understand it now, they agree that the RCA wsn't doing such a thing, and the RCA's ruling using its "vaad habirur" (clarification committee) stands."In addition, the RCA claims their action only was an internal matter. As is clearly scene, the RCA's decision has had wide-rangung ramifications including the termination of RMT's teaching position at YU. For the RCA to have claimed that it was solely an internal matter with no external effects was a blatant lie. Vis-a-vis KNH, rabbanim stopped teaching classes and RMT may be out of a job. I think we have not heard the last of this, yet.
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Although this is for above head subject thread, since you are discussing it I'll re-post:“Although the Rabbinical Council of America feels that this is an internal membership issue, nonetheless.…”The women who had the courage to go to the RCA did not go because the RCA should get rid of their member, rather this being the process to rid this Rabbi from a position representing the Rabbinate who is committing sexual misconduct. Shame on you RCA for not being vocal that his rabbinical abuse and all rabbinical abuse has to stop. This is more then an internal membership issue.“3. The matter of his employment remains entirely up to the members of his congregation, and is not under our jurisdiction.”Shame on you RCA for endeavoring in the Plaintiffs claim! You wouldn’t go out of your way to clarify your reasons for Expulsion so that there would be no doubt for debate because you are scared of legal ramifications. God help the women to sue you for this statement. You, the RCA, and all his supporters and KNH, are now responsible if he has 5 more girls at age 15 pick up their dresses because “its entirely up to his members” who love love him no matter what. You are all responsible if but one more women gets victimized. No, he should not be a congregational Rabbi.“Therefore we are in harmony with the opinion of the Bet Din Ha-Ezori, as clarified by its Av Bet Bin….….the attorney for the Plaintiff explained that there is no rabbinic authority in the United States in which the R.C.A. is subjugated; however, all rabbis of the Diaspora are subjugated to the Batei Din of the State of Israel, because “From Zion shall Torah go forth.”What?The RCA complying has now given false credence with the inaccurate claim that all rabbis of the Diaspora are subjugated… What? This is now being tested with RMT, the RCA, America Diaspora, and used here, what egos, by this Beit Din as being the Authority? Why is No one in the Jewish world questioning that this has never been stated before? Tested before? And not voted by the Jewish people as them being that authority? If any Beit Din Torah is allowed to exist as authority? And not only have that, who pick this beit dinned? RMT. Did they review the materials, as they claimed? No! Liars. So no, liars aren’t allowed in a true Torah Beit Din. Did they see, have a “trial” of both sides? No. There is no Authority. Now this beit Din wants to claim they have it over anyone outside of Israel? Let us vote. There is no authority. There is no centralized beit din. Victims of RMT for years and supporters were trying to find some authority to do something and stop him. Many other victims of rabbinical abuse have been trying to find an authority to stop it. There is no Sanhedrin.Oh the RMT gets legal points that he caught the RCA in some twisted legal claim that,“This is particularly so with respect to the Rabbinical Council of America, R.C.A., in as much as the R.C.A. has stated publicly that the organization stands behind the decisions of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and considers itself as partner with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.” Partners as showing unity, perhaps as colleges, advisors. No claim to authority as the RCA does not go to them in all decisions. No legal doctrine that all decisions are passed through the Chief Rabbinate. Where has the Chief Rabbinate or the RCA make claims that all decisions, investigations and determination, etc, is determined by the Chief Rabbinate? The issue being that this all a ridiculous whitewashing turn of events that you have made into a losing and false jargon of legal sounding phrases. The issue is RMT is abusing his position as Rabbi and committing sexual misconduct. He is pursuing, manipulating and sexually harassing women.You have to stop him now. You have to stop this kind of abuse in our Jewish Torah communities. “This court convened, and after reviews of the materials presented to the Court, this Court hereby agrees with the request of the Plaintiff and hereby orders that the Defendants are prohibited from damaging or in anyway affecting any services provided by, or any status or position of, the Plaintiff unless and until the Defendants summon the Plaintiff to a Din Torah, in any location in the world, before an official rabbinical Ben Din or before a Bet Din constituted through the process of “zablah”. What double talk. The Chief rabbinate sites the Plaintiff, that there is no rabbinic authority in the United States and concludes that they are the authority because they are in Jerusalem telling the RCA what to do and authorizing that the determination is not valid until the Defendants summon the Plaintiff to a Din Torah any location in the world. They just said no beit din is accepted but them. Well if they are now double talking and saying that the defendants can summon…through….Then the women have. They went to a rabbinical authority, the RCA. You the Chief Rabbinate and the Plaintiffs quoted the RCA as being partners with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel”. Thus they are an authority and concluded he is guilty.
cut out the nonsenseRMT is entitled to due process in his denials, although I am the first to concede that ihs srgument is weaker by the dayThe adultresses have admitted to an act of cherem. RMT, as yet, has not.There can be no excuse for permitting them a day longer in the community, and certainly it is obscene to have them sitting in shul with my wife and daughters for Pesach.
my Hebrew is excellent, and having read the hachlatot, the beis din in Israel has backed the RCA on its finding that conduct unbecoming a rabbi was within its domain, and that no further activity is required INCLUDING any further complaint suggesting any wrongdoing by RMT.The ONLY equation in which those two add up, despite the desperate spin doctoring of BOTH sides in this debate, is voluntary adultery.The RCA had it right all along, and deserves everyone's apology.These women were never victims of any kind, and RMT engaged in an activity (with at least one woman who stepped forward and voluntarily testified to a long standin relationship) in conduct unbecoming an orthodox rabbi, requiring his expulsion.Both sides are wrong in their claims and spin. RMT is not innocent, and there never was any abuse.You now have BOTH the RCA and the beis din in Israel proclaiming this.As no one else here will admit to this basic fact, let me extend what will likely be the ONLY kol hakavod to Rabbis Billet, Herring Schwarts et al at the RCA who weeded through mounds of terrible testimonies and saw through the fact that all parties were lying. Absolutely everyone in this sordid affair (literally) is guilty.And now the beis din in Israel concurs with the RCA.
"And now the beis din in Israel concurs with the RCA."One question for JWB - are you going to repost your citations of Horayot on how an individual can totally ignore a Beit Din if they believe the Beit Din erred? And, if not, why not?
I am not addressing Rabbi Tendler's role at all...perhaps I am the only one not addressing his role. He continues to deny his role and is entitled to whatever legal procedure is appropriate, to its conclusion.I am addressing sitting next to women who have admitted to adultry with a man in the community. They are not denying their actions, and my skin crawls every time they sit down next to us in shul.What is everyone waiting for regarding them? This isn't the outcome the Tendler enemies hoped for? Who cares? It seems all of you are guilty on all sides, if I now understand properly, but the Rabbi is entitled to the benefit of the dwindling doubt until the end of the legal process. Not a woman who stands up and shouts she had an affair with my girlfriend's husband and then sits down next to my daughter in shul like some heroine!And next year it will open season on my man? And the community should applaud her for this? Forget about it.Appalled KNH Wife and Mother
so now we know from both the RCA and the most important beis din in the world that BOTH the Rabbi and his accusers have been lying to us all along and BOTH have played us for complete fools.Meawhile, KNH has been turned into the laughingstock of all world jewry, except no one is laughing. We have been played for FOOLS by both sides who were each simply advancing their agendas at our expense!
Can someone please post a definitive translation of the Bet Din's second ruling.
Rediculous comment of the month award winner is:in response to :"I am addressing sitting next to women who have admitted to adultry with a man in the community."the winning rediculous remark of the month is: "There has been no such admission. Repeating the same lie over and over does not make it true."So now you have the audacity to ask me to tell my girls that these women, in fact, are backtracking and now deny publicly and repeatedly admitting to the most vulgar forms of adultry ---for lengthy periods of time, mind you, not one fleeting indiscretion!!!!I may be the ONLY one here actually from KNH. My husband and I paid enormous funds and tzedaka to build the shul, as well as time and effort, and now people are trying to backpeddle on admitted adultry to stay inside?My skin crawls at the thought of thes harlots being permitted into shul. They have admitted to adultry. Where are the men in the community to do the right thing and enforce cherem? You are correct, there are 7 other shuls here -- they can go elsewhere. How dare some two-timing harlot suggest to me that MY FAMILY go elsewhere because she blabbed to the world that she slept (and a WHOLE lot more than that) with a girlfriend's husband.Not how she expected things to turn out? tough cookies, slut.TIme for us all to be much less Modern and much more Orthodox about this. Today.
the bottom line, folks, is that we have all be had...both the beis din of Israel and the RCA have clearly concluded that both sides here ewre lying all along, for their own power motivations.And we have been made into truly the fools of all Judaism by both sides.For this I poured a fortune in this community as well as this shul. What a fool I was. What fools we have all been, financing and supporting both sets of liars.
To clarify" RMT has been accused by women of having long term affairs with them -- while he is entitled to the legal process until either proven guilty or admitting guilt, these sluts have ADMITTED to acts requiring cherem. They cannot get a free pass simply because RMT denies it. They must be removed at once.And NO ONE has stronger credentials at KNH than my husband and me. Make sure the door hits your rear end on the way out, slut. Don;t ever set foot in here again, because we aren't going anywhere -- no matter if Tendler is rabbi or not. Who cares anymore?These harlots announced to all they slept with a girlfriends husband repeatedly (and some rather kinky) and then act surprise when its time to pay the piper? Now they are hiding behind Tendler's denial???? Wow. My head is spinning at that one.Into cherem, sluts.
I am explicitly referring to the adultresses who claim to have had affairs with RMT. They slept with their girlfriend's husband by their own claim, and must be treated as the sluts that they are and banned into cherem forever from the shul and community.If someone admits to a crime, and then claims to have had an accomplice, the purported accomplice is entitled to legal process if he denies it --but the admitting party goes straight to punishment.These women have flaunted open affairs within the community with a girlfriend's (Michelle) husband. While RMT is entitled to due process, these women are now trying to backpeddle on what they said previsouly? Into cherem with the adulteress sluts!When you want major donations for the shul you come knocking. Let's not be oblique, as you said. It's time to put my money to work within KNH and not permit someone in California or Manhattan to dictate proper policy in OUR shul.Make sure the door hits you on thw way out, pal.
>>As is clearly scene, the RCA's decision has had wide-rangung ramifications including the termination of RMT's teaching position at YU. For the RCA to have claimed that it was solely an internal matter with no external effects was a blatant lie. Vis-a-vis KNH, rabbanim stopped teaching classes and RMT may be out of a job. I think we have not heard the last of this, yet.<<While it did have ramifications, that's not the fault of the RCA. The RCA can always say they didn't mean for there to be any ramifications. Plus, the language of the chalatah spends much of the document apologizing for denigrating the honor of the RCA, and accedes to the opinion of the RCA that it's an internal matter. That sounds like the beis din in israel wants to wash its hands of its first chalatah, and doesnt want to interfere anymore. It would take a lot for them to reverse this chalatah.
For the bloggers who think that the tendler issue is settled and we are "post- tendler" and hterefore should put the women in cherem: Here is a better idea:Since we are post- tendler, let's find a new Rabbi for KNH!(suggestions: So that there is as little turmoil as possible, Bill Clinton or Shtzei Tzvi, perhaps? That would involve the least change from the present!)
THEY ARE GREAT AT CHANGING THE SUBJECT.I AM STILL WAITNG TO HEAR DANNY BOY ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE- OR EXPLAIN WHY NOT, IF THE TRUTH IS OF INTEREST AND ON HIS SIDE!!!IN ALL OF HIS RESPONSES NOTHING ADDRESSES THIS!!!
"While it did have ramifications, that's not the fault of the RCA. The RCA can always say they didn't mean for there to be any ramifications. Plus, the language of the chalatah spends much of the document apologizing for denigrating the honor of the RCA, and accedes to the opinion of the RCA that it's an internal matter. That sounds like the beis din in israel wants to wash its hands of its first chalatah, and doesnt want to interfere anymore. It would take a lot for them to reverse this chalatah."That's not quite true. The RCA or someone inside the RCA leaked the investigation to both The Forward and The Jewish Week before it was concluded. The RCA must take responsibility for that. Rabbi Auman even answered some questions for one of the papers. Once again, the RCA must take responsibility for that. WHen the decision was made, the RCA could have simply told RMT he was no longer wanted or a member. What was gained by sending e-mails to all RCA membership? What was gained by publicizing their decision? It seems quite apparent that the RCA as an organization or somebody inside the RCA had an objective of publicizing this whole episode. Why? There is only one reasonable conclusion - they/he KNEW the RCA was powerless to really do anything and their/his objective was the "trickle-down" effect. Because they hold full responsibility for the publication of the investigation and decision, they also bear responsibility for the ramifications. It is impossible to exonerate them.
a JOKE FOR CHOL HAMOED:tendler to board: all those that agree with me say "yes"... ok, good. Now, all those who disagree say "I resign".gutten moed folks!
a better JOKE FOR CHOL HAMOED:midwives to expectant mother: you want us to deliver your baby in your home? then lie about Tendler for us... ok, good.Now, all those who disagree say "OBGYN".gutten moed folks!
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